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  • :) sarah :)
    • 26.01.2005
    • 2401

    Ein Bericht zur Ponymessung

    Editorials

    21st September 2006 - Pony Pure

    The first associations you make when you think about "ponies" are Tellwell cartoons, My Little Pony toys and cute little girls with pig tails riding cute little ponies with pink polo wraps and saddle pads. This image of amateur pony riding is opposite to what current competitive FEI pony sport really is. Young children ride with the focus and determination of professional athletes. Their ponies are trained and ridden by adult professional riders and prepared for the kids to ride them more easily. To compete at the European Pony Championships has become the ultimate goal of each driven pony rider and in order to get there, s/he needs a pony of top quality. This means a pony with outstanding conformation and the gaits of a warmblood horse.

    After each European Pony Championship the bar is raised and the demand for better ponies increases to which pony breeders in Europe reply accordingly by breeding more beautiful, better moving ponies. There is nothing wrong with this pursuit for quality and excellence, but there is a major problem which has corrupted the pony sport this past decade. Ponies competing at CDI-P (CSI-P and CCI-P) competitions as well as the European Pony Championships are no longer ponies but horses!! The stand taller than 14.2 hh (148 cm shoeless, 149 cm with shoes) and nobody objects. Until now.

    At the 2006 European Pony Championships in Saumur, France, the FEI conducted a measurement test of every fifth dressage and show jumping pony that appeared in the vet check. Independent FEI licensed veterinarians Dr. Stephane Montavon (SUI) and Dr. Karen Coumbe (GBR) conducted this measurement test in the presence of Dr. Frits Sluyter, Head of the FEI Veterinary Department, and Mrs Nici Kennedy, FEI Manager of Pony Riders. The results of this measurement test were staggering! 50% of all measured dressage ponies stood above 148 cm and almost all of the show jumping ponies were, in fact, horses! The FEI told Eurodressage that it is well aware of the "present irregularities" in the pony sport and is "currently seeking the best solution possible for all involved on the Pony Riders circuit." But so far, the FEI has taken no action against this fraud and it is most likely that it won't do anything if the matter is not being pushed by the pony parents, participants and press.

    The major consequence and problem of competing horses in pony classes is that it creates an unfair competitive environment in which kids on 'real' ponies are disadvantaged to children riding 'horses' who have more scope, suspension and ground covering gaits and, therefore, will automatically score higher in dressage tests or jump higher over fences. It is a fact that at the 2006 European Pony Championships, several medals were giving to horses instead of ponies.

    Parents of pony riders have difficulties explaining to their children why they won't buy the ultimate dream pony because he's too big and competing it is not according to FEI rules and regulations. Other children, however, are living the dream riding falsely measured ponies and break rules by showing them internationally. Furthermore, children shouldn't ride 'horses'. They don't have the physical strength of adults to push their ponies in the frame, and keep them collected and together at all times. The result is that adult professionals break, train, school, and compete these so-called FEI ponies at Fourth level or even Prix St Georges level at regional shows in Europe. Afterwards, the child is put in the saddle to qualify this"pony" for the nation's team and then takes him further on to the European Championships. They win a medal, but can take little pride in saying that they were responsible for bringing along a pony to the highest level of pony dressage in Europe.

    The origin of this FEI-rule-corruption lies with the national federations who allowed any veterinarian to sign a measurement document with a false measurement on it. They closed their eyes to real height of the pony, signed a document with a fictitious measurement, which was then put on the pony's FEI Passport.

    At the moment, each country does have FEI licensed veterinarians. For instance, in Holland, there are three FEI vets at the University Equine Clinic of Utrecht. In Germany, there are four FEI licensed vets. But these FEI vets can't fix the old problems unless serious changes are carried out by the FEI.

    In order to live by its own rules and to make the pony sport "Pony Pure" again the FEI should re-measure every single pony, that is going to compete at FEI pony level (nationally and internationally), before the next show season (January 1, 2007). To compete internationally, a pony rider needs a current, valid, and correct measurement document for that competition year. At the 1983 European Pony Championships in Vetlanda, Sweden, all participating ponies were re-measured at the start of the show. If a pony was too tall, he was disqualified and sent home. Maybe this strict "measurement" should be the rule again. The time for pony sports is too short for children to have to deal with "horses" and to have to wait for the FEI to clean up its act.

    Parents, riders and trainers of FEI ponies are gathering now in support of banning horses from the pony sport. A petition has started in which parents send in their support for the "Pony Pure/Ban Big Ponies" cause. Write to Eurodressage.com, we will gather all your letters and pass them onto the FEI, so that they are sent to the right FEI person at the right time. Action needs to be taken, now!

    Email your letters to: info@eurodressage.com

    -- Astrid Appels
  • Tati2210
    • 16.03.2006
    • 1576

    #2
    Bitte mal auf Deutsch.Danke.

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    • LadyLennox
      • 20.01.2003
      • 1265

      #3
      Ich frag mich , warum die ausgemessenen Ponys nicht direkt disqualifiziert wurden.
      Ist sicherlich ein richtiger Schritt aber jetzt muss auch konsequent durchgegriffen werden!

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      • ponypower
        • 13.07.2005
        • 2441

        #4
        Zitat von [b
        Zitat[/b] (LadyLennox @ Sep. 22 2006,20:30)]Ich frag mich , warum die ausgemessenen Ponys nicht direkt disqualifiziert wurden.
        Ist sicherlich ein richtiger Schritt aber jetzt muss auch konsequent durchgegriffen werden!
        Dem kann ich mich nur in vollstem Umfang anschließen. Zumal der namenlose Ottonormalverbraucher meist ohne Rücksicht auf Verluste die 1,50 eingetragen bekommt, während die Ponys gewisser anderer Leute glatt 5 cm größer sind und am Tag des Messens um 7 cm geschrumpft sind.

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        • charlysgirl
          • 04.09.2006
          • 4402

          #5
          @tati:

          habe versucht, es für dich zu übersetzen. du müsstes eine pm bekommen!

          gruß



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          • KirstinE
            • 29.01.2002
            • 2673

            #6
            Also es war schon vor Saumur bekannt, das die Ponys dort gemessen werden aber OHNE KONSEQUENZEN!! Da die FEI sich ein Bild davon machen wollte, wies wirklich aussieht

            Also ich bin dafür das alle Ponys die über 1,48 und unter 1,60 m sind in eine gesonderte Klasse kommen , könnte man ja GXL nennen oder so. So könnten die kleinen Warmblüter auch mal zum Bucha
            Unsere Kinder werden doch auch immer größer und brauchen dementsprechend große Ponys. Ich finde damit wäre allen besser gedient und vielleciht könnten die Kinder auf den XL Ponys dann auch bis 18 reiten - international wie national. Danach gehen viele eh in das Berufsleben über und haben für den ganzen Zirkus nicht mehr soviel Zeit

            Kirstin
            www.velvet-star.young-horse-gate.de

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            • LadyLennox
              • 20.01.2003
              • 1265

              #7
              Gute Idee XXL Ponys für die Reiter ab 18

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              • rooby94
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                • 08.03.2006
                • 12634

                #8
                ... hört sich ja prima an, aber glaubt ihr, dass es in 10 Jahren 2 WM Titel für Dressurponies gibt?!
                Einen in xs und einen in xl?

                Naja, dann hätten die deutschen Ponies ja auf jeden Fall Chancen.....

                Ich hab den Artkel gleich zu ein paar befreundeten Hengsthaltern geschickt, die fanden es auch ganz interessant und unterstützenswert- ihre Hengste sind nämlich auch zT im Zwergenmaß von 1,46 m EM ...

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                • Tati2210
                  • 16.03.2006
                  • 1576

                  #9
                  @charlysgirl
                  Danke!

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                  • KirstinE
                    • 29.01.2002
                    • 2673

                    #10
                    European Dressage News

                    FEI Secretary-General Michael Stone Will Ban Big Ponies!!

                    October 12, 2006

                    The FEI secretary-general Michael Stone has decided to take drastic actions against the corruption taking place in the measurement of FEI Dressage Ponies.

                    Following a series of strong complaints from parents of pony riders and a media campaign on Eurodressage.com raising awareness against fraud taking place in the current European FEI pony sport, Michael Stone was notified of the corruption and fraud of FEI official measurement certificates for ponies.

                    "It has come to our attention that a number of ponies competing on the International circuit are over height and have certificates issued for life. These life certificates are issued when a pony reaches 7 years old," Stone told Eurodressage. Consequently, the FEI secretary-general finally decided to take action and make the pony sport pure again.

                    The FEI Pony Riders' committee, led by Mrs Nici Kennedy, alerted national federations of its recommendation to abolish the FEI official measurement certificate for ponies. A proposed rule change (from 1 January 2007) will require all ponies to be measured on site at FEI competitions.

                    In an interview with the British equestrian magazine Horse and Hound, Stone stated, "this is quite a radical step; I'm not sure it will be something all federations will be in favour of, but we have to have integrity."

                    Protest against the "horses" in pony sport arose right after the FEI conducted a random measurement test at the 2006 European Pony Championships in Saumur, France. The random test, in which jumping and dressage ponies were measured, showed that ponies competing at the European Championships were standing up to 10 centimeters above the officially allowed pony height of 148 cm (no shoes).

                    Mr Stone told Horse and Hound that the proposed rule change would be put to the FEI bureau in November, following consultation with all national federations closing on 30 October. "We're not saying anyone has been corrupt," he told Horse and Hound. "We investigated this following complaints and found a significant number of ponies are too big, so we're going to stop it." He also added that any over-height pony would be "sent home".

                    "We have considered the situation and have recommended to the National Federations a change in the rules that will remove the system of measurement certification and instead all ponies will be measured at all International events before they are permitted to compete. Consequently ponies over height will not be allowed to compete," Stone told Eurodressage.

                    Partial Source: Horse and Hound
                    www.velvet-star.young-horse-gate.de

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                    • purplehill
                      • 23.08.2006
                      • 100

                      #11
                      Warum ist da immer Deinhard auf den Bildern, auf Eurodressage.com, wenn es um das Thema zu große Ponies geht? Wenn ich Familie Rothenberger wäre würde mich das aber Ärgern.
                      Ich kann mir nicht Vorstellen das Deinhard zu groß ist.

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                      • KirstinE
                        • 29.01.2002
                        • 2673

                        #12
                        Vielleicht ist Deinhard auch eher ein Beispiel dafür, das es auch mit reell 148 cm geht
                        www.velvet-star.young-horse-gate.de

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                        • :) sarah :)
                          • 26.01.2005
                          • 2401

                          #13
                          Man könnte auch einfach ne brücke bauen ...148 hoch .. wenns hängen bleibt weisst du bescheid nur der kopf der muss dann runter

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                          • Tina real
                            • 08.12.2004
                            • 1287

                            #14
                            Also meine kriechen auch unter einer 1,30 niedrigen Stange durch - alles eine Frage des Trainings.
                            VG
                            Ahnung kommt von erahnen - nicht von Wissen

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                            • :) sarah :)
                              • 26.01.2005
                              • 2401

                              #15
                              Eurodressage F.O.C.U.S.

                              The Purification of the Pony Sport. The FEI Needs to Ban Over-sized Ponies

                              October 26, 2006

                              The new FEI secretary-general, Michael Stone, is cleaning house and re-introducing fair play and purity in the international equestrian sport, and specifically in the corrupted and fraudulent international FEI pony scene.

                              Following a series of strong complaints from parents of pony riders and a media campaign raising awareness about fraud in pony measurement, it was brought to Stone's attention that a huge number of ponies on the FEI circuit are over-height (+148 cm), but have life measurement certificates allowing them to compete against real ponies.

                              The FEI Pony Riders' committee, led by Mrs Nici Kennedy, alerted national federations of its recommendation to abolish the FEI official measurement certificate for ponies. A proposed rule change (from 1 January 2007) will require all ponies to be measured on site at FEI competitions and any over-height pony needs to be sent home.

                              The proposed rule change will be put to the FEI bureau in November, following consultation with all national federations closing on 30 October. Eurodressage wants to stress the importance of the acceptance of this rule change and Michael Stone's vital role in the whole procedure as he will be in charge of running a bureau that stands for fair play and ethical behaviour in the sport.

                              On-site measurement needs to be the standard at FEI competitions and it is the FEI's job to keep a watchful eye over animal welfare while measuring ponies. When Top Sport is involved, the end often justifies the means. Tricks to "measure in" ponies are not uncommon and the road to a show for an over-sized pony is tough. There are those who do not refrain from withholding water for two days or overworking the pony so it can barely stand up to its normal height. Painkillers and tranquillizers are also applied for relaxing the pony and making him stand smaller. Furthermore and more shockingly, cruel practices such as a nail or thumbtack on the measurement stick needling into the pony's withers are also applied to make the pony crouch while being measured.

                              Animal welfare needs to be the number one priority and ponies need to behave normally when being measured. Therefore it is important that painless and non-traumatizing measurement by laser is done on a straight horizontal concrete floor to be precise.

                              The proposed rule change has generated immense amounts of support from pony breeders, riders, pony parents, trainers and judges world wide. Pony parents from Holland, Germany, Denmark; Sweden, Belgium, France, Canada, The United States and even South Africa have emailed Eurodressage to show their support. One striking reaction was, "Besides the fact that the trainers and parents are teaching their children that it is 'Ok' to cheat to win, what kind of new horse people are we training up here anyway. Ethics / honor and fair play should be taught to all of our children starting at a young age."

                              Many officials have also reacted to proposed rule change. Dutch Pony dressage chef d'Equipes Christa Laarakkers follows the entire case very closely as well as Olympic judge Jan Peeters who told Eurodressage that "it's a good that this whole issue has been brought to public attention and that the FEI is taking the right measurements against it."

                              Former American Olympic team rider Lendon Gray, who is promoting FEI pony dressage in the United States, has given her thumbs up for the proposed rule change. Ingmar De Vos, president of the Belgian Equestrian Federation, has also confirmed his support of the proposed rule change.

                              The response in the media to pony measurement fraud is staggering. Dutch equestrian newspaper Paardenkrant, British leading equestrian magazine Horse and Hound as well as Germany's largest magazine St.Georg have devoted articles on the issue and are printing stories discussing the proposed rule change. Also, Olympic dressage rider Coby van Baalen has published the latest news on the issue on her official website.

                              FEI Dressage Committee chairwoman Mariette Withages is aware of the current problems in the pony circuit and is paying careful attention to the development of the proposed rule change within the bureau.

                              As brand new FEI secretary-general Stone needs to make a clear statement that corrupting FEI rules will not be tolerated, if the "Equestrian Sport" wants itself to be taking seriously as an international, Olympic sport.

                              Photos copyrighted: Astrid Appels - Dirk Caremans - Paul van Oers

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                              • rooby94
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                                • 08.03.2006
                                • 12634

                                #16
                                Bravo.
                                Und wann klappts auf den deutschen Turnieren?!

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                                • eurodressage
                                  • 16.11.2004
                                  • 82

                                  #17
                                  Alle PonyBilder auf Eurodressage.com sind von Ponies unter 148 cm!!! (Deinhard, Milkshake, Stan, Konrad, etc etc)

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                                  • olchen007
                                    • 17.01.2005
                                    • 872

                                    #18
                                    könnt ihr Euch an den Fall des Springpony Waikiki/Scarlett H erinnern? Waikiki ging auf den deutschen Meisterschaften und da beschwerten sich Konkurrenten das Pony sei zu groß... nachgemessen... stimmte... wurde dann als Pferd nach Italien verkauft... und tauchte ein paar Jahre später in NL als Scarlett H auf und war ein paar mal bei der Euro... unglaublich, dass da nichts gemacht wurde... Pony war ja offiziell schon einmal als zu groß gemessen worden... die früheren Besitzer waren entsetzt...

                                    ich denke aber dennoch das das System überdacht werden sollte... wieviele Kinder können die 1.46m Ponies denn dementsprechend reiten (edit: ich meine von der Körpergrößenstimmigkeit...)? in der Dressur ja, aber doch sieht man grad in den letzten Ponyjahren viel zu große Reiter auf "kleinen" Ponies... außerdem laufen da Ponies Dressur, die zuhause M und S laufen und dann auf den internationalen Turnieren L... find ich auch schwierig... Qualität der Ponies klafft grad in der Dressr ja doch sehr...

                                    vielleicht sollte man besser eine neue Klasseneinteilung machen und das gleichzeitig mit Größe/Gewicht der Kinder koppeln... so ein Pony M Parcour auf der Euro ist schon kein Kinderspiel... warum nicht eine Euro für die bis 1.45m und eine für die von 1.45m-1.55m... irgenwie so etwas... bzw man tauft die neue Euro (also für die aktuell internationalen, wovon ja leider fast alle ziemlich groß sind - meine jetzt die Springer) um in Kleinpferde/Doppelpony Euro...



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                                    • :) sarah :)
                                      • 26.01.2005
                                      • 2401

                                      #19
                                      Halte ich für schwachsinnig, man kann sich auch einfach mal an die Regeln halten und wenns zu groß ist dann hab ich Pech.

                                      Auch ein zu großes Pony gibt nen guten Sportpartner ab, nur halt mit der Einschränkung das es keine championate gehen kann.

                                      Und wer von der Größe nicht mehr auf Ponys passt, für den gibts sicherlich rittige "Mädchenpferde" ..

                                      Und einfach ist so eine Euro sicherlich nicht, aber das liegt ja auch an den Pacoursbauern.
                                      Wenn man wollte, könnte man die Sprünge ja auhc einfach mal den PONYS anpassen und es lieber technisch schwerer machen..als von Jahr zu Jahr die Latten höher zu ziehen

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                                      • rooby94
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                                        • 08.03.2006
                                        • 12634

                                        #20
                                        Genau!

                                        Ich würd mich riesig freuen, wenn auf unseren nationalen Turnieren auch mal jemand mit ner Meßlatte stehen würde... Da würden einige Reiterlein ziemlich blaß werden, bzw deren Eltern.
                                        Eine unserer Stuten ist nur 1,42 m- da kommt man sich schon in der Abreitehalle absolut verloren vor...

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