Traditionally - wer ist das ?

[Gast]

Ich bin von jemandem hier aus dem Forum angeschrieben worden ,etwas zu diesem Hengst zu sagen.

TRADITIONALLY (USA) ch. H, 1997 {6-a} DP = 20-10-19-0-1 (50) DI = 3.76 CD = 0.96 - GSV = 77.97 - 20 Starts, 5 Wins, 1 Places, 2 Shows Career Earnings: $495,660

Owner: JALOBEY RACING MOROCCO Breeder: Phipps Stable State Bred: KY Winnings: 20 Starts: 5 - 1 - 2, $495,660 Oaklawn Handicap -G1 Commenced Stud duties in New Zealand 2002. Standing at The Oaks Stud Cambridge, Stud Fee $17,500+gst (03), $10,000+gst (04). Ireland at Ballylinch Studin 2003, Stud Fee 12,500e (03), 12,700e (04). EXPORTATION DEFINITIVE-MOROCCO (14/10/2010)Standing at jalobey racing Stud Fee 25000MAD

http://www.pedigreequery.com/traditionally

[carlo]

Ich-hatte-ihn-in-IRE-gesehen,da-eine-meiner-Stuten-auf-dem-Nachbar-Gestuet-stand.

Traditionally
breed Thoroughbred color Chestnut sex stallion (active stallion) height 166 cm ~ 16.1.½ hands date of birth 12 APR 1997 land of birth US USA land of standing MA Morocco breed awards 20 Starts: 5 - 1 - 2, $495,660 level of progeny Dressage: 2-Dr7 Eventers: 1-Ev7 family number TB-6A breeder Phipps Stable owner Ogden Phipps 1st Oaklawn Handicap G1,

[carlo]

Der Hengst hatte mir sehr gut gefallen,bis auf das sehr gerade Hinterbein,aber das Maerchen,dass diese Pferde keine Last aufnehmen koennten,hat sich in USA in meinen Clinics immer wieder als unsinnig erwiesen.

[carlo]

Sicherlich hat er nicht gehalten,was man sich von ihm versprochen hatte,er wanderte von seinem Eintritt als Sire in Neuseeland - nach IRE - und nun Morocco.

Angeblich soll er auch in FR gestanden haben,was ich aber bezweifle ,bzw wenn,dann nur kurz.

[carlo]

Vollbruder

Miner's Mark
breed Thoroughbred color Bay sex stallion height date of birth 15 FEB 1990 land of birth US USA land of standing US USA level of progeny Dressage: 1-Dr5 family number TB-6A breeder Ogden Phipps owner Ogden Phipps Died on April 30th 2013

[carlo]

noch ein vollbruder:

[carlo]

PERSONAL ENSIGN (USA) b. M, 1984 {6-a} DP = 7-9-15-0-3 (34) DI = 2.24 CD = 0.50 - GSV = 80.04 - 13 Starts, 13 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $1,679,880

Owner: Ogden Phipps Breeder: Ogden Phipps State Bred: KY Winnings: 13 Starts: 13 - 0 - 0, $1,679,880 At2-Frizette S. -G1;At 3,Beldame S. -G1, Rare Perfume S. -G2; At 4,Breeders' Cup Distaff -G1, Beldame S. -G1, Whitney H. -G1, Hempstead H. -G1, Shuvee H. -G1, Molly Pitcher H. -G2, Maskette S. -G1 1988 Eclipse Champion Older Female; Elected to Hall of Fame in 1993; 1996 Broodmare of the Year. 2006 colt (Forest Wildcat) died 2006, no current plans for her to be bred in future. Pensioned September, 2006. A Perfect Undefeated Filly A True All Time Great

Traditionally-mit-seiner-Superstar-Mutter--PERSONAL-ENSIGN-v.PRIVATE-ACCOUNT

Sie-selbst-als-Fohlen.


als-junge-Mutterstute


und-einige-Jahre-spaeter.

[carlo]

PRIVATE-ACCOUNT-v.DAMASCUS


Seine-Mutter:NUMBERED-ACCOUNT-v.BUCKPASSER
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Der-Mutter-Vater-der-PERSONAL-ENSIGN-:HOIST-THE-FLAG,den-wir-uebrigens-auch-bei-LAW-SOCIETY-finden

DORINE-in-ARGENTINIEN-geb.-1958-v.ARISTOPHANES-war-die-Mutter-der:

GRECIAN-BANNER-v.HOIST-THE-FLAG,also-der-dam-of-PERSONAL-ENSIGN.

DORINE (ARG) ch. M, 1958 {6-a} DP = 10-6-8-2-8 (34) DI = 1.43 CD = 0.24 - GSV = 81.11 - 21 Starts, 7 Wins, 4 Places, 3 Shows Career Earnings: 6,810,324 $

Owner: Stud Ojo de Agua Breeder: Haras Ojo de Agua Winnings: 21 Starts: 7 - 4 - 3, 6,810,324 $ 1ST Premio Arturo R. Bullrich twice, Premio Enrique Acebal, Premio Gilberto Lerena twice, Premio Criadores, Premio Palermo, Premio America, Gran Premio Internacional 25 de Mayo. 2ND Premio Polla de Potrancas, Gran Premio Nacional, Premio Seleccion, Premio Internacional 25 de Mayo. 3RD Premio General Luis Maria Campos, Gran Premio Internacional Org Sudam. Fomento P. S. C., Premio Caballerizas Argentinas. Died 1980...Granddam of incomparable Personal Ensign and G1 winner Personal Flag...

[carlo]

PERSONAL-ACCOUNT-war-in-13Rennen-ungeschlagen---und-selbst-nach-einer-gebrochenen-Fessel-mit-5Schrauben-im-Knochen-gewann-sie-danach-sogar-den-BREEDERS-CUP-Distaff.

[carlo]

VOLLBRUDER:


PRIVATE-FLAG

[carlo]

TRADITIONALLY-stammt-von:




Sire-of-sires:MR-PROSPECTOR-v.RAISE-A-NATIVE

[carlo]

MR.PROSPECTOR - ist so etwa mit NORTHERN DANCER gleichzusetzen,nur dass er geeignetere Pferde fuer's amerikanische Rennsystem geliefert hat.

Aus seiner Mutterlinie kommt auch der Top Hengst:
SEATTLE SLEW v.BOLD REASONING


Sieht doch gut aus - oder nicht ? - Dann schaue man sich die Kruppe und sein Hinterbein an:

Seattle Slew

breed Thoroughbred color Brown sex stallion height 168 cm ~ 16.2 hands date of birth 15 FEB 1974 land of birth US USA land of standing US USA breed awards 17 Starts: 14 - 2 - 0, $1,208,726 family number TB-13C breeder Ben S Castleman owner Mrs Karen Taylor 1977 TC Winner and Horse of the Year. Only horse to win the TC while undefeated and only TC Winner to defeat another TC Winner (Affirmed). Died in 2002 on the 25th anniversary of his Kentucky Derby win.

[carlo]

MR PROSPECTOR stammt von : RAISE A NATIVE v.NATIVE DANCER

Man beachte einmal die Zahl der Soehne von :



RAISE A NATIVE:

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?p=100589&order=sexD

[carlo]

Haerte vom Vollblut ?

RAISE A NATIVE (USA) ch. H, 1961 {8-f} DP = 2-16-8-10-0 (36) DI = 1.57 CD = 0.28 - GSV = 77.41 - 4 Starts, 4 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $45,955

Owner: Louis Wolfson Breeder: Happy Hill Farm (Cortwright & Ella Widener Wetherill) State Bred: KY Winnings: 4 Starts: 4 - 0 - 0, $45,955 At 2: 1st: Great American S. (AQU,5.5f), Juvenile S. (AQU,5f) Trainer: Burley Parke (HoF) U.S. Champion 2-Year Old Colt. May 4, 1963: NTR, Aqueduct, 0:57 4/5, 5 furlongs on dirt. May 31, 1963: ETR, Aqueduct, 0:57 4/5, 5 furlongs on dirt. July 17, 1963: NTR, Aqueduct, 1:02 3/5, 5.5 furlongs on dirt. Foaled April 18, 1961. Retired due to bowed tendon. Stood at Spendthrift Farm. Sire of 74 stakes winners including 1969 Kentucky Derby & Preakness Winner Majestic Prince and Champion Triple Crown runner-up Alydar. He also sired champions Mr. Prospector, and Exclusive Native who sired 1978 Triple Crown winner Affirmed, and 1980 Kentucky Derby winner filly, Genuine Risk. Died on July 28, 1988.

[carlo]

ALYDAR-war-z.B.sein-Sohn:

ALYDAR (USA) ch. H, 1975 {9-c} DP = 21-8-9-4-0 (42) DI = 3.94 CD = 1.10 - GSV = 74.57 - 26 Starts, 14 Wins, 9 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $957,195

Owner: Calumet Farm Breeder: Calumet Farm State Bred: KY Winnings: 26 Starts: 14 - 9 - 1, $957,195 At 2: Won Champagne S. (G1), Sapling S. (G1), Tremont S., Great American S. 2nd Hopeful S. (G1), Laurel Futurity (G1), Futurity S. (G1), Remsen S. (G2)At 3: Won Florida Derby (G1), Flamingo S. (G1), Blue Grass S. (G1), Travers S. (G1), Arlington Classic S. (G2), Whitney H. (G2) 2nd Kentucky Derby (G1), Preakness S. (G1), Belmont S. (G1) At 4: Won Nassau County H. (G3) 2nd Oaklawn H. (G2), Carter H. (G2) 3rd Suburban H. (G1) Foaled March 23, 1975. The only horse to finish second in all three Triple Crown races (1978). Hall of Fame inductee, 1989. Leading Sire in North America in 1990. Stood at Calumet Farm for $40,000 fee in 1981. Total progeny earnings over $60 million. Euthanized in 1990 due to a broken leg suffered in his stall one night under suspicious circumstances. Buried at Calumet Farm.

[carlo]

ALYDAR - dem moeglicherweise ein Bein zertruemmert wurde,um die Versicherung zu kassieren!!!!!!!!!!!

Meine fruehere Stute:


SUPERCONSTELLATION v.DASHING BLADE ,die den ungarischen Derby-Sieger und gekoerten Hengst :


SUNNY SAM - brachte,hatte :


ALYDAR - zum Grossvater.

[carlo]

Jetzt verstehe ich auch besser ,warum RAISE A NATIVE immerwieder Reitpferde brachte,nicht nur wegen seines Vaters,sondern seine Mutterlinie geht auf eine ganz aufschlussreiche Stute zurueck:

PADUA v.THURIO - auf die : BLUE LARKSPUR - 3F X 4f ingezogen war.

Dies ist ebenfalls die dam line von: RELIC - den man sehr haeufig in der WBZ findet.

Feierabend - morgen mehr!